However, those who are cheering his victory want those of us who voted for John McCain and Sarah Palin to just drop these important questions, concerns, and issues, and rally around the Obamanation symbol singing kum ba yah - right along with Oprah and Colin Powell.
Not gonna happen.
Whenever I have posted details about Obama that I cannot totally verify, I label the post: "Talk Wisdom reports, you decide." If I recall correctly, I think that the first time I used that talking points label was when the Larry Sinclair allegations came out. Since then, I have used it whenever an article or blog post could possibly be just a rumor.
I STILL think that the COLB debacle is not over. There is supposed to be a hearing on December 1st.
[Correction: Will Supreme Court have say in presidency?
Schedule includes campaign response to questions on Obama birthplace
Excerpt:
In a statement today, Berg said he was told by a clerk for Souter that his application for an injunction to stay the election was denied. But he also said the defendants "are required to respond to the Writ of Certiorari" by Dec. 1.]
Will there be a "December surprise?"
I have read that if this issue is not resolved before Obama/Biden are sworn into office, the possibility of removal from office might be severely diminished. No doubt. However, I wonder what would happen if it is found out that Obama doesn't, after all, have natural born citizenship status?
In my conversations with Obama supporters in other posts, both here at this blog and other blogs, I have yet to hear anyone say that Obama's original vault long COLB has been seen by the public. Some have claimed that it has, but then end up having to back down because they were referring to the faked BC that was passed off as legitimate.
If Obama's original vault COLB is available and genuine - and proves that he was born in Hawaii on the date in question, then why all the secrecy?
No one has been able to answer that one question...no one!
Just for the sake of argument, I will post a link to this photo essay of Barack's family tree from Time.com.
Perhaps the photo essay is 100% correct and accurate. But maybe it's not. There may be many details absent from this depiction of his family tree.
So far, it has been suspected, and rumored, that Obama's true father was either Frank Marshall Davis; or, perhaps, the secret son of Malcolm X.
Maybe the title of one of Obama's books should have been, "Dreams of My Fathers." Sorry...couldn't resist a little levity there.
The "morphed" photo at that site link above is really kinda creepy.
Now, before Spud Tooley comes over here and bursts a blood vessel reading this post, I am adding an additional label for this post: Please debunk this!
My Obamabot friends who frequent this blog always accuse me of spreading rumors and falsehoods about the man.
Fine.
Then please get busy and debunk this.
There are lots of comments at the "Malcolm X/Obama ties" blog article. Here are just a few of the many for/against arguments there:
Comment by Paul I. Adams on November 3, 2008 at 4:48pm
Reuven, While "fantastic to preposterous in nature", I have absorbed the written material, listened to Malcolm's speech in its entirety, pursued additional web searching and now slept on it. First I forwarded this to MANY! I find the narrative compelling, plausible, and too perfect a fit to ignore! with Ayer's ghostwriting of his revolutionary friends' son, it seems unmistakable that he would do all he has to "keep a promise to Malcolm." Obama's use of the the word "Audacity" (of Hope) seems clearly a "pointer" after hearing Malcolm's use of the word in his speech. Most blatant of all is the "process of the ballot", control of the caucuses for the primaries certainly follows the heart of the speech itself! As you so clearly point out the incredible list of donors-time and money-that served the meteoric rise of this virtual unknown is too precise in its alignment to be coincidence. I am more convinced than ever that my comment on the Berg article is an accurate depiction of this entire situation. It takes brass to make this stand you have taken. All the best.
Comment by robespierre on November 3, 2008 at 10:32pm
I am insulted that this article passes as news on this site.
I normally enjoy your articles but this is pure speculation presented as fact.
You can't use "they look alike" as evidence. and "they both use the word audacity" from Paul I Adams, certainly is not a reasonable argument.
I feel like I entered the Twilight Zone. We will never win this fight with these outrageous unfounded claims. because no one is buying it.
Comment by radiantstreams on November 4, 2008 at 8:18am
There are a lot of "ifs" in this article, as in mere speculation. Nothing is presented as pure fact. In speculating, this would answer a lot of the questions so many have had concerning this very questionable entity. If he would just be honest, answer the charges instead of hiding everything, we would have nothing to speculate about. He has fueled this himself. And there are just so many oddities! Enquiring minds wanna know!
Comment by Cynthia on November 4, 2008 at 6:36pm
While I'd be the last person to endorse a conspiracy theory, Obama's campaign has been a campaign of deceit. From his shady associations, his habitual flip-flop regarding important issues, to the state of Hawaii's refusal to make public his birth certificate, valid questions remain regarding his identity and his intentions. Comment by couragehonorvalor 1 day ago
Cynthia,
I agree wholeheartedly on all points...
chv
Last but not least, here are two comments to save Spud Tooley some time from having to type one out:
Comment by Ross 7 hours ago
Wow, this is hysterical!
Who writes your material? This could be a comedy sensation if someone brought this zaniness to the big screen. Comment by Ross 7 hours ago
If true, this would be devastating.
Then again, if blue aliens from Repblasticon 5 invade with their Skeerum Ray weapons and Helium Bombs, we'd be in serious trouble also. Both being about the same probability.
Pure bunkum.
Even though the "morphed" picture of Obama/Malcolm X was creepy enough, there are also several "quite a resemblance" photo comparisons here.
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OK. Enough of that.
My second concern came from an article that I had previously read a few days before the election. I have to confess that I wanted to believe it was bunk (and maybe it is just propaganda) so that I would not have another reason to be fearful for our country!
Admittedly, this may be old news for some. It is dated October 25, 2008. However, I discovered it just two days before election day.
Again, Talk Wisdom reports - you decide. And - please debunk this! (Additional note: notice that it is highly critical of the Bush Administration - going so far as to call our current government "fascist." That should delight all the nut roots who believe such trash. Maybe that means the entire article is a bunch of bunk, too?)
Quote:
October 25, 2008
Iranian Leader In Secret Meet With Obama At US Military Stronghold In Hawaii
By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers (Traducción al Español abajo)
Russian Military Intelligence reports to Prime Minister Putin today are stating that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has joined US Senator Barack Obama in Hawaii at an emergency conference ordered by America’s Top Generals in their effort to avert World War III and the collapse of the United States by the fascist forces within its own government it is currently battling.
As we had reported earlier in our October 23rd report “Obama Summoned To US Military Stronghold In Hawaii By Top Generals”, the presumed next President of United States is currently incommunicado in Hawaii under the cover of his grandmother being ill. President Ahmadinejad is, likewise, incommunicado under the cover of ‘failing health’ as he has suddenly cancelled all personal appearances.
According to these reports, the initial meeting between Obama and Ahmadinejad, and their Top Military Officers, was ‘tense’ but appeared to be beating back the planed fascist coup in the United States with the Iranian condition of being recognized by the US being met with the White House announcing last evening the resumption of diplomatic ties, and as we can read as reported by the Seattle Times News Service:
“The Bush administration will announce in mid-November, after the presidential election, that it intends to establish the first U.S. diplomatic presence in Iran since the 1979-81 hostage crisis, according to senior Bush administration officials.”
The American anti-fascist forces now headed by Senator Obama also appear to have had their main first condition met that President Ahmadinejad will step aside and not run for another term of office, which he appears to have agreed to, and as we can read as reported by the JTA News Service:
“A series of cancelled appearances have led to speculation that the Iranian president's health is failing. The situation may force Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to drop out of elections scheduled for 2009, according to a report on the Iranian Web site Shahab.”
American fascist forces, however, were quick to strike back against these moves against them by first ordering a US media blackout on the resumption of diplomatic ties with Iran released by White House stationed US Military Officers (which, thankfully, the Seattle Times News Service has refused to agree to) and then swiftly imposing sanctions on Russia and China for their support of Iran, and to which Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov blasted as being ‘inadmissible’.
Driving these desperate actions by Americas Top Generals are how close they are to seeing their Nation destroyed upon the alter of what the United States fascist forces call their ‘New World Order’, and which they stand virtually alone against not only their political elite but also several of their own intelligence agencies, and as we had previously reported on in our October 20th report “Israel To Fall As US Says This Will Be Their ‘Last President’”.
Also, and as we had reported on in our October 22nd report “Top US Generals Flee To EU And Russia In Last Attempt To Stop World War”, both Russian and European Special Forces units are continuing their attacks against these fascist forces planned nuclear attacks upon Europe’s main cities by the destruction of their core base in Austria and the downing of an Italian Military helicopter yesterday over France believed to be carrying a number of suitcase-type nuclear weapons.
The BBC is also reporting that British nuclear and biological warfare forces are continuing to be deployed around their Nation too.
It is also important to note, these reports continue, that Iran’s Supreme Leader is supporting these ongoing negotiations but has also issued a more serious warning should they not be successful, and as we can read as reported by the JTA News Service:
“Iran will target Israel if there is a U.S. attack on the Islamic state’s nuclear facilities, a senior Iranian official said. Dr. Seyed Safavi, an adviser to supreme leader Ali Khamenei, revealed the change in policy to foreign diplomats two weeks ago in London, according to a report Wednesday in the Israeli daily Ha'aretz.”
Most surprising, however, of all of these events is the near complete denial of the American people to this titanic struggle taking place in their very midst, and upon which their lives and future depends. This is brought into even more stark relief as this is the second coup attempt they have faced in the past 75 years, and which, coincidentally, also took place during a time of great economic turmoil, and as we can read:
“The Business Plot (also the Plot Against FDR and the White House Putsch) was a political conspiracy in 1933 wherein wealthy businessmen and corporations plotted a coup d’état to overthrow United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt. In 1934, the Business Plot was publicly revealed by retired Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler testifying to the McCormack-Dickstein Congressional Committee. [1] In his testimony, Butler claimed that a group of men had approached him as part of a plot to overthrow Roosevelt in a military coup. One of the alleged plotters, Gerald MacGuire, vehemently denied any such plot. In their final report, the Congressional committee supported Butler's allegations of the existence of the plot, but no prosecutions or further investigations followed, and the matter was mostly forgotten.”
As our mission is to present to these American people the true news of the events now occurring, and that will plunge them into a chaos they have never seen the likes of, they can rest assured that this time around this struggle against them will not be forgotten, at least by us.
© October 25, 2008 EU and US all rights reserved.
[Ed. Note: The United States government actively seeks to find, and silence, any and all opinions about the United States except those coming from authorized government and/or affiliated sources, of which we are not one. No interviews are granted and very little personal information is given about our contributors, or their sources, to protect their safety.] /quote
Translation to Spanish by: Sister Maru Barraza, Mazatlán, Mexico
Also posted here: Four Winds10.com
Just propaganda against the U.S.A.? I hope so!
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One last thing.
Perhaps I missed the announcement in the news, but does anyone else out there think it a bit strange that Obama didn't return to Hawaii for his grandmother's funeral/memorial service?
Update 11/7/08 - Regarding my question about whether or not Obama will attend his grandma's funeral, these are the few posts that I could find on the subject:
Why Isn't Obama Going or Taking His Family to Grandmother's Funeral?
Some comments there:
To: vidbizz
He didn’t even mention her in the acceptance speech & she had just died the nite before!
Yep, real class has arrived at the WH. too bad it's all LOW.
49 posted on Thursday, November 06, 2008 9:10:20 AM by Centurion2000 (To protect and defend ... against all enemies, foreign and domestic .... by any means necessary.)
To: dennisw
Also, I found it odd that a man who just made history showed no emotion during his victory speech. Didn’t shed a tear. Read a prepared speech from the teleprompter right up until the end. People in the crowds showed more emotion than he did. It seems to me that someone who supposedly achieved such a milstone would be be able to speak a few words from the heart.
48 posted on Thursday, November 06, 2008 9:10:14 AM by jersey117
Is Obama attending his grandmother's funeral?
Yep....
Hat tips to all the links above - too many to list right now.