Wow! I'm not quite sure what to say or think about Glenn Beck's tirade against the "Birthers" on his radio show yesterday. I find it quite curious that his outburst sounded eerily similar to something Keith Olberdummy would say! I have been reading and commenting at the Citizen Wells blog today. Lots of great commentators, videos, and links there.
The best essay was written by Stephen Pidgeon. I found it posted over at The Steady Drip blog. Here is a copy:
OPEN LETTER TO GLEN BECK
from Stephen Pidgeon
Dear Mr. Beck:
You are ill-informed on the "birther" issue. Barack Obama, by his own admission, was a British subject at birth. He has never denied having a Kenyan father, who himself was a British subject as a Kenyan native. This is easly established under the British Nationality Act of 1948. He is therefore disqualified to run for the office of the President, because the office is not available to subjects of other governments. The issue is very simple, and very obvious. Obama himself admitted that he wasn't a natural born citizen when he debated Alan Keyes in 2004.
Let's see you deal with this one. There is nothing "nutty" about it, and it doesn't depend on whether his maternal grandmother tried to cover up a foreign birth in Hawaii by placing newspaper notices. It is as plain as your face. BHO is a foreign national first, and an American secondarily, if at all. That is why he thinks there are 57 states; why he doesn't understand the constitution; why he wants to give us Britain's health care system (it's all in the teeth, don't you know); why he thinks Interpol should have greater authority in the US than US law enforcement; etc. He is a British subject and has no business holding the office of POTUS.
If you think you can overlook this constitutional crisis as not part of the Rubicon, you are mistaken. One constitutional overlook breeds another and the next thing you know, the financial industry is nationalized, the auto industry is nationalized, the health care industry is about to be nationalized, and the energy industry will soon be nationalized.
Ultimately, it is all going to be okay, because socialism only lasts until other people's money (OPM) runs out, and binge spender BHO has spent all the money we have and all the money we will ever have for the next several generations. He spent all of this before he got his socialist healthcare on the table. He and his wife have partied like Eddie Murphy in The Distinguished Gentleman (1992) since taking office, while he has busied himself with overthrowing the constitutional republic, establishing a new Islamic empire worldwide, disarming and crippling America, and unilaterally dividing Israel and Jerusalem. The only budget constraint for Obama is ink and paper (and he is working his way around that) and his foreign policy advisor appears to be "mirror, mirror on the wall". He has bankrupted the nation, which the sleeping Oprah watchers are now discovering for the very first time. The reality of the bankruptcy will hit home with gusto in 2010. Not only will we suffer with 30% unemployment, a complete collapse of real estate, and a complete collapse of the dollar, we will also suffer the slings and arrows of dramatic military defeats, as we let this foreigner steer the ship of state. Most Americans have no idea how bad it is going to get.
As for Obama: he will be one of history's most reviled figures - on a par with Nero - as a fool who couldn't even understand that when he denigrated the United States, he was destroying the very state upon which his safety and his legacy depended. He will suffer dramatic defeat in Afghanistan and Iraq - it will not be like Viet Nam, and his name will be tarred with it. It will be more like the disastrous defeat of Xerxes at Salamis, or the Ottomans at Sisek, or the Moors at Tours; a game changing defeat that will forever cement the destiny of the republic known as the United States of America. Obama will join the other names in history who suffered cataclysmic losses in the lands of Magog.
His legacy? A communist, collectivist fool, brainwashed by red diaper doper babies haunting the halls of ivy league academia whose agenda was to bring back the failed Bolshevik revolution worldwide, who brought his fully bloomed ignorance to power illegally in the US because of the needs of his narcissistic ego, whose illegitimacy caused the US to go bankrupt and to suffer its worst military setbacks in the history of the nation in just a few short months. History will marvel at the foolishness of Americans, and historians will wonder how we as a people could have allowed this to happen. Then, of course, historians will ultimately conclude that the demise of the greatest nation the world had ever known happened because the watchdogs whose duty it was to warn Americans of such possibilities - the so-called news media - conspired with foreign powers and global financial criminals to destroy America from the inside, as a result of their cowardice, malevolence and silence.
Glen Beck: a media persona who simply could not bring himself to utter the truth about Obama - that he is a usurper, holding the presidency illegally and unconstitutionally, because he is without a legal birthright. Let us never forget who shirked their duty to tell the truth in these last hours, and let us not allow history to forget.
STEPHEN PIDGEON
Here is part of one of my comments over at Citizen Wells blog:
I was disappointed and shocked to hear Glenn Beck disparage people who are questioning Obama’s eligibility. He could have just disagreed that it was a “legitimate” issue. Why did he go so far as to mock those who are questioning a person who has sealed his bona fide documents and followed up with an executive order to keep them sealed? Isn’t that highly suspicious and secretive to do by someone who supposedly has nothing to hide?
Perhaps Beck was trying to get attention for the issue – using a negative way to achieve such an end? Was he being sarcastic the whole time?
If he never mentions all of the angry emails that he is most likely getting from former fans of his, then we must conclude that either he believes the issue is a joke or he is being forced to keep quiet about it.
I recall that O’Reilly brought it up on his show – only to label the idea “ridiculous.”
I wonder. Is this issue only going to get out to more people via any T.V. plus radio pundits (except for Limbaugh and Savage who aren’t under any T.V. network contract) ONLY through mocking the issue? Is that the strategy now? Hmmm…I wonder.
A commentator named "terminu" had this to say:
terminu // January 5, 2010 at 2:29 pm
Why can’t people ignore the BC and just focus on the Constitution?
Obama admits he was born British.
He’s therefore no more than a 14th amendment statutory US citizen, a dual citizen and since the Constitution and Minor state no 14th amendment citizen can be a natural born citizen, he’s therefore ineligible.
Simple!
In my response to him I wrote:
Terminu – you have something there. The BC issue is clouding the real, already-out-in-the-open crime (IMO). It’s the Constitutionality of whether or not a dual, British-born citizen could also be considered a United States of America natural born citizen!
The following is on the sidebar at my blog. It is there to educate visitors on the REAL issue! I wish that there was a way to present a lawsuit that would immediately address this:
THE RELEVANT OBAMA ADMISSION
At Barack Obama’s web site, the following admission:
“FactCheck.org Clarifies Barack’s Citizenship
‘When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children…’ “
Read that last line again.
“That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children…”
That’s an admission that Great Britain “governed the status” of Barack Obama, Jr. He has chosen to highlight this on his own volition.
And this leads to the relevant question:
HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN’S STATUS BE “GOVERNED” BY GREAT BRITAIN?
A natural born citizen’s status should only be governed by the United States.
Hat Tip: Natural Born Citizen blog
The Obama File has archives that prove that the online BC is a forgery:
The Obama File: Obama COLB
Another archived item is even more important. It explains why the Framers of our United States Constitution wrote that the President of the United States must be a Natural Born Citizen and why Obama cannot be one (if his biological father is Obama SR.):
The Obama File: Natural Born Citizen
A blogger by the name of "Don" over at Citizen Wells blog had this to say:
Don in California // January 5, 2010 at 2:43 pm
Christinewjc // January 5, 2010 at 2:35 pm
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Don’t you just know that the Founding Fathers are turning over in their graves, knowing that a British Subject is sitting in the White House as president when we fought a war in 1776 to get rid of the British rulers?
My response:
Christinewjc // January 5, 2010 at 2:53 pm
Yes Don – I know. That is what is so desperately disturbing about it all. How far our nation has drifted from the groundwork (and the protections against enemies foreign and domestic) that was created and written in our Charters of Freedom by our brilliant Founders is so very heartbreaking to witness.
Hat Tips to all links.
Graphic from The Obama File.
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Update 1/6/10
Besides the post about Beck's "Birther" comments, The Right Side of Life has two more posts that share much more information regarding the Chrysler plaintiffs vs. Obama lawsuit.
The first post dates back to December 9, 2009. There are 597 comments following it!
I only read through some of them, but left a comment of my own there:
Christinewjc Says:
January 6th, 2010 at 8:24 am
Today’s post about Beck ridiculing the “birthers” led me back to this post. There are 587 comments! I haven’t read them all, but read through some of the back and forth between Qwertyman and Linda. The following comment by Linda caught my attention:Linda says:
December 13, 2009 at 6:21 pm
qwertyman says: Quote mining is not nice.
I did not ‘quote mine’ as you charge me to have, what I did was quote the Edw. III statute that defined what a naturtal born subject was at the time of the adoption of the Constitution.
Blackstone himself concurred with this definition in his Commentaries.
Further more, I gave the links for all readers to research for themselves and if anyone is ‘quote mining’ it is you. It is a long and exhastive commentary, as well are the other 2 links that it references to and they all come to the same conclusion,
Native does not equal natural born and as Kent put it, Natives are:
artificial persons created by law
Thus there can be nothing natural about a native born person’s citizenship, they aquire it through naturalization under US laws if they so desire.
This agrees with The Obama File’s archives that recognize the fact that there are actually three kinds of U.S. citizenship – natural born citizen (required for POTUS), native born citizen, and naturalized citizen.
Consider this. If Obama was so sure that “native born citizen” is considered to be, by Constitutional law, the same as “natural born citizen” (required for POTUS), then why on earth would he spend 1.5 million dollars hiding his COLB and other bona fide documents (which would most likely prove that he attended college in the U.S. as a foreign exchange student)?
Why all the secrecy?
Answer: he is hiding something – something BIG! Just like the Dems are hiding what’s in the health care bill. C-span requested recording the discussions and they got a big fat NO. Isn’t this highly disturbing?
This particular case (IMO) has the best chance of succeeding in the courts. God speed Mr. Pidgeon and Mr. Donofrio!
There is an update on the Chrysler case - The Right Side of Life: Chrysler Bankruptcy Motion to Reconsider Filed
Another comment I left over at The Right Side of Life blog:
Christinewjc Says:
January 6th, 2010 at 8:54 am
The following is just my opinion, but from what I can recall about the rare moments that Beck has mentioned the BC issue on his radio show in the past, his reasoning has more to do with the fear of unrest in the nation due to overturning the votes of the majority of the people and what would transpire to “fix the mess” (e.g. Joe Biden becomes president? VERY scary thought) yada, yada, yada. His libertarian views shine through with this issue. Apparently, he doesn’t see that the fraud of Obama claiming he was qualified, and the Dem party being complicit in such deceit – isn’t the best way to defeat Obama’s POLICIES. Beck is more concerned with preventing, and/or overturning (when necessary) the terrible Marxist POLICIES Obama is shoving down the throats of Americans; rather than booting out the Marxist usurper through the COLB issue.
Still, what surprises me today is that he went so far as to mock the “birthers.” He hadn’t done that in the past. Therefore, I am wondering what his motivation is? Perhaps he was just being sarcastic? Maybe he thinks that it’s a lost cause and therefore, wants to discourage people from pursuing it? I doubt that would work. He may have helped inspire people to join the 9.12 Project and the TEA Party movement, but he’s not going to get people to give up on the eligibility issue. It is way too important!
Update 2 on 1/6/10:
In the cause of "Helping to Spread the Word," I include the following explanation from The Birthers.org website as to the extreme importance of why Article II, Section 1 states:
“No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.”
Quote:
Article II, Section 1
The founders of our Nation wanted a nation for everyone, where ones status of birth would not limit their ability to succeed in almost any task that they could set their hearts and minds too. Yet, they had put pen to paper to set aside only one aspiration from all citizens and to reserve that for a class of citizens whose members are called “a natural born citizen,” the office of the President of the United States of America.
Article II, Section 1
“No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.”
There are some interesting phrases here that all have significance to the mindset of the Founding Fathers. The key phrase here is, “a natural born citizen,” as opposed to “a native born citizen,” “naturalized” or even “a citizen.” Before we look at what “a natural born citizen” is, let’s look at the other phrases, so the clear meaning of a Natural Born Citizen becomes clear.
Looking at the text of the Constitution there was a small window of opportunity for a class of citizens, who were just simply “a citizen” to become the President. This Grandfather clause expired with the death of the last citizen born before June 22, 1788.
or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution,
Considering that all of the Founding Fathers were at least on July 4, 1776, British subjects, they needed to include themselves as possible Presidential candidates. These “original citizen” Presidents included, George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, John Quincy Adams, Andrew Jackson and the last “original citizen” President was William Henry Harrison.
If they had not included themselves, then the age requirement included in the qualifications for President would mean that America would have to wait until July 4, 1811 for the first “natural born citizen” to come of age.
neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years,
Yet, they were not so liberal in just allowing any former British subjects to be President. Note that also the qualifications for President is included a duration of residency.
and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.
To understand why they chose 14 years, is to start to understand why they also penned the phrase “a natural born citizen.” Our Constitution was adopted on September 17, 1787 and if we subtract 14 years we come to September 17, 1773. Nothing significant happened on this date, but it creates a state where our first “original citizen Presidents” needed to be physically present at the start of and during the War of Independence, unless like Franklin they were overseas engaged in the business of the United States. This is born out in the Journal of the Senate of the United States of America (July 7, 1798), and this is also in many of the debates on ratification.
Because as stated there were no “natural born citizens” ready to be President, the age and duration of residency also created another significant point. Thirty-five minus 14 is also 21, the “age of majority.” This means that these “original citizen” Presidents would have needed to make a conscience adult decision to be an American and would have earned the right to be President, by willingly risking their lives simply by being present in the thirteen States, while this Nation fought for its independence.
Yes, there is a small window of opportunity, when someone could have come to America and became President, without having risked their [life] in a War of Independence. This short period was from February 4, 1783 when Britain formally declared an end to the War of Independence until September 17, 1787. Our Founding Fathers were men of the highest principles and integrity, they said what they meant and meant what they said. In the same Constitution, that holds the qualifications for President, is written Article 1, Section 9, these same men wrote,
No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.
They were not going to treat this 1783 to 1789 class of “immigrant citizens” guilty of being unfaithful to America by passing a law saying so. A Bill of Attainder is a law that makes a group of citizens guilty of a crime without the benefit of a trial. Ex post facto law is a law passed after the fact to make something illegal or legal, at the time it happened. They chose instead to set a date, September 17, 1787 that allowed anyone who was an original citizen on that date regardless of place of birth to be President. If you became a citizen on September 18, 1787, it would have been too late for you to qualify to be President of the United States of America without being a natural born citizen.
Returning to the phrase “a natural born citizen,” you can now see that the Founding Fathers made a conscience effort to insure that the office of the President of the United States of America would have been held by only those men who were loyal to the cause of the United States of America. They selected as criteria for themselves loyalty above all else. The President of the United States must be above all else loyal to this Nation, and the principles that it was established upon.
As they pondered the Constitutional office of the President, they knew that one day their generation would pass away. Those men who proved their loyalty on the field of battle would eventually sleep under the field. This pool of men with proven loyalty to the Nation would literally die out one day. Sensing this, they knew that they could only trust the power of the office of President to a group of citizens who would have the best chance of being loyal to the country, those who only know America and only knew what it was like to be American.
On July 25, 1787 John Jay wrote to George Washington, “Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.”
The common sense of this was immediately and unanimously incorporated into our Constitution. It cannot be said that this was without debate, there were a few who initially thought that excluding naturalized citizens might limit the number of affluent people with money to come to and invest in the new country. This small minority was afraid that the rich would not immigrate if their opportunities were limited. The fact that there was debate is significant because it signifies that this provision was not slipped into the Constitution, in the late hours of the night.
If they choose as a requirement for President for themselves, proven loyalty, and what they would choose for the next generation of Presidents would be “natural loyalty.” How they determined what natural loyalty is they looked toward nature. They did not need Congressional studies for a definition, as it was self-evident to them. A persons place in life comes from ones parents. This concept is found in nature, it is self-evident. Nature claims kinship, our most primitive and natural form of citizenship, from blood, while nations claim citizens from the soil, or their place of birth. They decided that the best way to protect the integrity of the office of President of the United States was a combination of the two.
The next time the term “natural born” would be used by the first Congress. Chapter III, of the Naturalization Act of 1790 stated that “a natural born citizen” was one whose parents were citizens of the United States, regardless of where they were born.
They used the plural, and not singular. The majority membership of the first Congress was made up of both members from the Continental Congress and the Constitutional Convention. It is obvious that these men, who wrote both the Constitution and first naturalization law [had] seen that it was the parents who instilled a sense of belonging to their children. This sense of belonging would be deemed loyalty.
The fact that they wanted parents, in the plural to be citizens is because they wanted to limit as much as possible any political and emotional attachment to the “old world.” They wanted neither the mother nor the father to influence “a natural born” candidate for President, with a sense of foreign allegiance. They made the requirements for “a natural born citizen” to be from parents who were either born in the United States or made a conscience decision to become “naturalized citizens” of the United States. They observed in the law of nature that a child follows the condition of their parents, and if the parents were split in their loyalties, the child would be split in loyalty to America.
With the Naturalization Act of 1795, they amended the law that allowed a foreign-born child of American citizens to be called “natural born,” not because they believed they were wrong on the premise of the loyalty deriving from the condition of the parents. They were not, because they still granted “naturalized citizenship” at birth to these children. What they realized is that other nations were not following the law of nature, but were instituting feudal laws that were based on Roman law. These laws said, regardless of the parents’ citizenship, that any child born on the soil of the King, the King had the right to claim as a subject of the Crown, forever. Their intention was to insure that “a natural born citizen” would have only one natural loyalty, and could be legally claimed as a citizen of only one country.
No one can deny that it was the intention of the Framers of the Constitution to protect the sanctity of the office of the President of the United States from foreign influence, either natural or legislated. They believed that the parents American citizenship, either natural or by choice would guard against the influence of foreign cultures. That birth within the United States of America by American citizens, made sure no other world power could ever make a claim for the allegiance of our President.
At the end of the war of Independence, England wanted to give Americans dual citizenship. In correspondence between David Hartley an British negotiator for the Treaty of Paris, and Benjamin Franklin, in which Hartley writes, “Neither shall the independence of the United States be construed any further than as independence, absolute and unlimited, in matters of government, as well as commerce. Not into alienation, and therefore the subjects of his Britannic majesty and the citizens of the United States shall mutually be considered as natural born subjects, and enjoy all rights and privileges as such in the respective dominions and territories in the manner heretofore accustomed.” While some may have considered this a good thing, the Founding Fathers reject this “last minute” act of generosity for the Trojan horse it was, that tried to subvert our Nation into a nation of dual citizens, whose citizens were ultimately subjects subservient to the Crown.
Article II, Section 1 is not about simply being born in the USA, it is about having only a complete and total loyalty to the United States of America, and no other. Any President who puts the interests of the United States of America second, has demonstrated that he is not “a natural born citizen” of this Nation, but is merely a puppet of worldly powers. Imperfect as some may believe, it is our legacy. A heritage paid for by the blood of patriots that is ours to either guard and protect or to abandon for the always-changing temporary passions of the multitudes. /quote (bold mine)
Hat tip:
The Birthers.org
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Update on 1/8/10:
In a "madder than hell and we're not going to take it anymore" manner, the Citizen Wells blog owner doesn't hold back his blistering anger with Glenn Beck. He has stated that he has tried to contact Mr. Beck (good luck with that) and I have read elsewhere on the blogs that Beck's radio call screeners hang up on anyone who calls in about the "birther" issue; so I doubt that an apology (as requested by CW) to the millions of birthers who follow Beck's shows will be forthcoming.
Here's the link to the post:
Citizen Wells:
Glenn Beck, Insults Americans, Birthers, Beck is uninformed, Glenn Beck can you hear us?, Listen and apologize or else, Glenn Beck insults on video
There are currently 177 comments (as of 1/8/10 at 7:35 a.m.)! Wish I had the time right now to read them all!
P.S. A thought just came to me. Does Beck include Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin (who he once admired greatly) and all the rest of the "famous" political personalities in his disparaging rant against the birthers??
I will be away from my computer for most of the day (after 10:00 a.m.) so be patient regarding comment releasing. Hopefully I will be able to check this blog between 5-6 p.m. to release comments, then again after 9 p.m.
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CAIR Assaults Rifqa Bary's Constitutional Rights - *6 January 2010:* Background: 17-year old Rifqa Bary is a former Muslim who converted to faith in Jesus Christ. Upon learning of Rifqa's decision for Chr...
2 days ago
The JAG HUNTER
Regarding attainder courts-martial for those SEALS…(graphic video warning!) - Marie Woods writes: “I hope that each and everyone of you who get this email will be as outraged and mortified as I am about the treatment of our hero’s an...
4 days ago
The Right Perspective
Obama Gives Interpol Carte Blanche In US - Barack Obama has signed an Executive Order that allows international police outfit Interpol to operate in the United States without any limitations from th...
4 days ago
satire and theology©
A hope versus a wish/hoping versus wishing - Greenwich, England (photo by trekearth.com) In a Biblical context, Browning uses some of the following examples of hope. Old Testament prophets taught tha...
5 hours ago
The Powers That Be
CIA: Climate Idiocy Accomplices - It’s all starting to make sense how people like the SkivvieBomber can slip through the cracks, if you’ll pardon the expression — because the CIA, an agency...
18 hours ago
Scooter's Report
Obama Defines, Defends Transparency - WASHINGTON (SR) - President Barack Obama struck back at the mounting criticism that his administration's secrecy violates his promise on at least eight separ...
21 hours ago
Barack Obama's Teleprompter's Blog
It's the Chicago Way - TSA has been in the news a lot lately, and none of it has been good news from Big Guy's perspective. Last night, in between the champagne, the late night ...
6 days ago