Some Concerns, But Still Lots of Hope

It took me some time to realize this, but I have found that lawyers (not all, just some) can be very stubborn, edgy and irritable when it comes to questioning their motives, methods, tactics, and strategies regarding lawsuit issues. In their defense, who could blame them? It's a very tough profession - to say the least! Plus, they are just people, too. They are not perfect. They make mistakes.

However, when it comes to the current Resident Obama (HT: Road Sassy for that term!) "natural born citizen" controversy, it appears that many are going in different (and some, actually heading in unfortunate) directions. Whereas, if they could agree to pool their resources, ideas, and HAD AN OPEN CONVERSATION with each other on the BEST METHOD and approach to get the job done, IMHO, there might be a chance that the correct lawsuit would arise from the seemingly chaotic mess that appears to be going forward these days.

I might be very wrong about this. I admit it.

I might have no idea what they are all up against. I admit it.

I might be asking for a "pie in the sky" resolution to it all. I admit that.

However, when it comes down to danger and possible severe repercussions against any active military plaintiff in the Obama citizenship issue, that has to be where a line is drawn.

The best way to follow what I am referring to here is to read the following comment (that I originally posted at The Right Side of Life blog), click and read the two posts included in the comment, and then return to read Phil's response and the rest of this post below.

Christinewjc says:
February 25, 2009 at 11:37 pm

After reading at Leo Donofrio’s “Natural Born Citizen” blog, I am highly concerned for the military people who are signing up as plaintiffs against Obama. There are some VERY strong “powers that be” behind Obama, and since the SCOTUS has dismissed most cases presented about the birth certificate issue because of “lack of standing,” I fear that they will just come up with another excuse not to give this issue a hearing - despite the perceived standing that military personnel have (or should have!).

Donofrio has two blog posts up about his fear that these military plaintiffs might end up in trouble.

1. First post
2. Second post

Phil, may I ask what your opinion is regarding Donofrio’s concern for the military plaintiffs?

In the comment section, Donofrio wrote:

“[Ed. The publicity is focused on the BC. For example, many of the media people who have commented, like Steve Malzberg yesterday, have told their audiences that all of this would go away if Obama would just show the BC. The issue won't go away since there is NO DOCUMENT CAPABLE OF PROVING OBAMA IS A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. No document can change his birth status having been governed by the British nationality Act of 1948.]“

My question. Could Dr. Orly Taitz be going about this in the wrong way?

Next, Donofrio also wrote:

“[Ed. or perhaps by creating a false issue which he holds the final word over (by eventually showing a genuine BC from Hawaii), he placed a cloud of cover over the issue which he cannot control... that his birth was Governed by the British nationality act of 1948. It's classic game theory. He who controls both sides of the game, controls the game. As to the BC, OBama controls the game, so that's the game he wants to play.
By playing the BC game, he distracts all from the game he does not control... he does not control the fact that his father was NEVER a US citizen.]“

Is there a way to word the lawsuit in order to challenge what Obama can’t control…namely…”he does not control the fact that his father was NEVER a U.S. citizen?”

Lastly, I wrote the following over at Donofrio’s blog, but it was ignored:

I see that you didn’t like the suggestion to either write or talk with Dr. Orly Taitz in order to warn her of what you wrote here:

“The issue won’t go away since there is NO DOCUMENT CAPABLE OF PROVING OBAMA IS A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. No document can change his birth status having been governed by the British nationality Act of 1948.”

That is what I was going to suggest - discussing that important issue with her.

What about a lawsuit that requires the release of all of the following hidden (and/or forged) documents?

Obama has lived for 48 years without leaving any footprints — none!

There is no Obama documentation — no records — no paper trail — none — this can’t be an accident.

Original, vault copy birth certificate — Not released
Certificate of Live Birth — Released — Counterfeit
Obama/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro adoption records — Not released
Fransiskus Assisi School School application — Released
Punahou School records — Not released
Selective Service Registration — Released — Counterfeit
Occidental College records — Not released
Passport (Pakistan) — Not released
Columbia College records — Not released
Columbia thesis — Not released
Harvard College records — Not released
Harvard Law Review articles — None (maybe 1, unsigned?)
Baptism certificate — None
Medical records — Not released
Illinois State Senate records — None
Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost
Law practice client list — Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles — None

Is it possible that he attended college here as a foreign exchange student?

Wouldn’t that prove that he is not a natural born citizen?

If that’s a stupid question, then here’s several more.

It has been rumored that maybe Obama ’s real father was Malcolm X (Little) or Frank Marshall Davis. Even so, if he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro and taken to Indonesia (which doesn’t allow dual citizenship to attend school there) - wouldn’t Barry Soetoro have lost his U.S. Citizenship? What angle could be played in such a scenario? Did he “naturalize” back as a U.S. Citizen? Would he then be eligible for POTUS or not?

OK…finished with the dumb questions…for now.

Ultimately, there has GOT TO BE a way to get the truth out and a case heard in court! Someone just needs to present the argument in the correct way where Obama does not have “control” over the situation and where the court MUST ACKNOWLEDGE the proof of his INELIGIBILITY!

As Mr. Donofrio pointed out at his blog, perhaps the way to do this is to utilize the fact that Obama’s father was under the jurisdiction governed by the British nationality Act of 1948 - and so was Obama Jr.’s “birth status” in 1961 - no matter where he was born!

Thanks, in advance, for any input you are willing to share in response. My questions were completely ignored by Donofrio.

Phil at The Right Side of Life was gracious enough to respond:

Phil says:
February 26, 2009 at 9:52 am
Christinewjc,

I think that Mr. Donofrio makes some good points, especially from a “court of public opinion” perspective. I think anyone who has been watching Dr. Taitz operate over the last few months knows that, despite her good intentions and willingness to go all out on the eligibility issue, she tends to shoot first and ask questions later. That cannot be helpful in situations like this.

Nevertheless, I think Mr. Donofrio is similarly correct when he mentions that none of the prerequisite opinions will matter if and when such a case is heard in Court, be it military or civilian. Rather, he is addressing the theory that some publicly-known verbiage may not make these soldiers’ lives any easier, going forward.

-Phil

When the first StimuWASTE bill passed, a Republican House member who voted it against it (each time) was interviewed on Fox. As the interview ended, he made a shout out to the public to "join together and do something" about the gluttonous earmarks and wasteful spending spree that the liberals are getting away with in Congress.

I truly believe that both of these issues can only be solved by "We The People." We can no longer rely on the three branches of government to do the RIGHT THING for our nation anymore. I would urge people reading here to support three efforts (Obots can stop reading now...).

1. Support Stephen Pidgeon's National Grand Jury (NGJ) Declaration and formation in any way that you can; either by volunteering to be on the NGJ or donating to the legal fund he is associated with - the Alliance Defense Fund (ADF). I have donated to that organization for many years now. They have been front and center in protecting religious rights in America against the powerful lawyers and lawsuits of the ACLU. Think secularism is taking over in the United States? It may seem that way. But in reality, it would have been FAR WORSE and FAR MORE ADVANCED here in 2009 without the help of ADF to combat such a takeover in the courts.

2. Support the H.R. 25 Fair Tax Act of 2009 It sure generated a lot of comments over at Digg: 44 House Republicans submit bill to eliminate income taxes

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P.S. For those of you who may view Road Sassy's post as insulting, please see THIS VIDEO WHICH ASKS: Does Obama Have Narcissistic Personality Disorder?

Scary, Frightening, Illuminating, VERY Hopeful

How's that for a catchy title? In this blog post, there will be a link (and brief excerpt) about something important to read in each of the following categories:

1. Scary

2. Frightening

3. Illuminating

4. VERY Hopeful

It may take some time to get from the "scary" to the "VERY Hopeful," but I sincerely believe that with God's help, and faithful U.S. Citizens taking action, "We the People" will ultimately prevail. We have our VERY INTELLIGENT AND WISE FOUNDING FATHERS to thank for including such a provision in our Charters of Freedom and Founding Documents - such as the Declaration of Independence, the United States Constitution, and the Bill of Rights.

First, let's start with the "scary" story.

Obama's Revenge

I suggest that you go to the link first, and read it all. Then, return here to get the proper context for the conclusion:

And Obama has done all this with the predictable double-speak that characterizes malevolent intention, i.e., touting transparency while concealing everything, speaking of integrity while appointing crooks and incompetents riddled with conflicts-of-interest, supporting energy independence while killing off-shore and domestic oil-drilling and nuclear power, and feigning optimism while he speaks of impending "catastrophe" in order to push through a pork-laden, trillion-dollar-plus Stimulus plan that rewards the corrupt voter-fraud organization Acorn with billions and unions with discriminatory union-only labor agreements, paves the way for socialized medicine, and threatens to take away the most cherished rights of We The People.

As blogger Eric Gurr has said: "We still talk about the health care crisis, the environmental crisis, the oil crisis, the banking crisis. Let me tell you my friends you are about to learn the meaning of the only crisis that matters, the survival crisis."

You can be sure that the sad-lonely-angry two-year-old, the jealous-confused-resentful 10-year-old, the self-conscious- cheated-victimized adolescent, and the man who found solace in and identified with his hate-America mentors is now determined to redeem all of his demons.

Unfortunately, he is acting out his rage on free-market capitalism, a free press, property and gun rights, a limited constitutional government, protection of the unborn, and everything else that is good and great about our country.

This is Obama's revenge!

2. Next, take note of this Frightening information.

God Save America

Never heard about this before, but this part is certainly worrisome:

President John F. Kennedy intended to warn the American People:

“The high office of the president has been used to foment a plot to destroy America’s freedom, and before I leave office I must inform the citizens of this plight.”

- President John F. Kennedy, November 12, 1963. A few days later he was shot!

3. Next, learn of something VERY Illuminating.

Attorney Issues a National Grand Jury Declaration

As reported late last night via DecaLogosIntl.org, Stephen Pidgeon, attorney for Broe v. Reed, has officially announced that he has issued a declaration (audio at link) for a national grand jury.

4. last, but certainly not least, we have the VERY Hopeful information and conclusion.

Constitutionally Speaking
Conservative Christian South Dakotans for Constitutional Legislation - National Grand Jury Declaration

Quote:

Pursuant to First Amendment (The right of the people peaceably to assemble), the Ninth Amendment (The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people), and the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution for the United States of America (The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people), this National Grand Jury is convened by natural born citizens of the fifty several states and of the United States of America, seating 50 jurors pursuant to the duties, powers, responsibilities, qualifications as established hereunder for the following purposes:

To examine all aspects of the federal government by initiating its own investigations.

To serve as ombudsmen for the citizens of the country in respect to constitutional rights. and privileges established under the organic documents of the United States of America, as properly amended from time to time.

To conduct criminal investigations of members of the federal government, and, if the evidence is sufficient, issue criminal indictments.

The National Grand Jury Process

The National Grand Jury, although a part of the judicial system, is an entirely independent body. Judges of the Supreme Court, the Courts of Appeal, and the District Courts of the United States, United States Attorneys, and Congress of the United States may act only as advisers. They cannot prevent National Grand Jury action unless that action violates the duly enacted laws as originally created in the United States.

The National Grand Jury shall review and evaluate procedures, methods and systems used by federal governmental agencies to determine whether they comply with the stated objectives of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution for the United States of America as properly amended.

The National Grand Jury shall review the officers of the federal government to determine whether they are constitutionally qualified to hold office, and to determine if their actions and behavior are consistent with stated objectives of the Declaration of Independence, Constitution for the United States of America as properly amended, and the criminal law as recognized in any of the several states.

No individual grand juror, acting alone, has any power or authority. Meetings of the National Grand Jury are not open to the public. All matters discussed before the National Grand Jury and votes taken are to be kept private and confidential. The end result of inquiries into civil matters are released to the public in the form of a final report which is approved, prior to release, by the Foreperson of the National Grand Jury.

The National Grand Jury is empowered to:

Inquire into the condition and management of branches of the federal government and its agencies.

• Investigate and report on the operations, accounts and records of federal officers, departments, and functions. Inquire into the willful or corrupt misconduct in office of public officers.

Submit a final report of its findings and recommendations, no later than the end of its term, to the Presiding Juror of the National Grand Jury.

Requirements to Become a Grand Juror

National Grand Juror candidates must meet all of the following qualifications: Be a natural born citizen of the United States (born in one of the fifty states of the United States to parents both of whom were U.S Citizens and resident in the United States at that time).

Be at least 18 years old. Be a resident of the state that the Juror represents for at least one year immediately prior to selection.

Exhibit intelligence, sound judgment, and good character.

Cannot have been convicted of malfeasance in office, any felony or other high crime.

Cannot be serving as a public official.

Grand Jury Selection Process

There shall be 50 members of the Grand Jury with 50 alternates. Candidates are to be selected from a pool of nominees who shall submit their nomination to the nominating committee. Nominees will be appointed by the affirmative vote of the nominating committee, who shall base their nomination on the following criteria expressed in priority:

First - an affidavit of qualification where the nominee asserts that the nominee:

is a natural born citizen of the United States, setting forth the place of birth, the date of birth, the place of birth of the nominee’s father, the place of birth of the nominee’s mother, and the residency of the parents at the time of birth;

is at least 18 years of age; is and has been a resident of the state the nominee seeks to represent for at least one year prior to the application;

is intelligent (demonstrating the ability to read and to write), uses sound judgment (exhibits ability to reason) and is a person of good character (does not engage in misconduct, interpersonal attacks, foul language or disruptive behavior);

is not serving as a public official.

Second – the ability to serve as a Juror, where the nominee asserts that the nominee

Can and will attend each meeting of the National Grand Jury without absence

Can and will render decisions according to the rule of law without prejudice or bias Can and will prepare decisions and recommendations in writing

Can and will use electronic technology such as email, blog posting, text messaging, teleconferencing and so on.

Third – order in which the application is received

Potential grand jurors will be given information about National Grand Jury duties and the time commitment required.

The committee shall interview each candidate, usually twice, to reduce the number to 100, two from each of the several states. The final selection is made by the affirmative vote of the majority of the nominating committee.

Grand Jury Officers

Grand Jury officers and duties are:

Foreperson recognizes that the most important responsibility lies in seeing that the Grand Jury as a whole and each of the committees function effectively and efficiently.

Foreperson Pro Tem, in absence of the foreperson, assumes all functions of foreperson.

Recording Secretary is general assistant to the foreperson in all matters, keeps an accurate record (minutes) of the proceedings of each meeting.

Corresponding Secretary is responsible for incoming and outgoing mail.

Treasurer provides jurors with reimbursement forms and collects these forms at the end of each quarter, handles all bills received by the Grand Jury. /quote

mailto:attorney@stephenpidgeon.com

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Therefore know this day, and consider it in your heart, that the Lord Himself is God in heaven above and on the earth beneath; there is no other. You shall therefore keep His statutes and His commandments which I command you today, that it may go well with you and with your children after you, and that you may prolong your days in the land which the Lord your God is giving you for all time ~ Deuteronomy 4:39-40

HAT TIPS:

Obama's Revenge by Joan Swirsky at Red County

God Save America

The Right Side of Life: Attorney Issues a National Grand Jury Declaration

Constitutionally Speaking
Conservative Christian South Dakotans for Constitutional Legislation - National Grand Jury Declaration