In an effort to educate some people on Facebook who tend to pooh-pooh the concerns of millions of Americans who want to know whether or not Barack Hussein Obama is a natural born citizen and thus eligible to be president, I ended up battling a person named "Floyd Debarber."
Since some readers here may not have access to Facebook, here is a copy of the post and comment thread:
Christine - I have created a website/blog list of sites (in the right sidebar) that cover the Obama/Soetoro ineligibility for POTUS question. It can be a great resource when you need to counter those who think that Obama's ineligibility for POTUS is a frivolous complaint. You can also see several websites that explain Why Natural... Born Citizen for POTUS Matters!
http://talkwisdom.blogspot.com/2010/04/fyi-new-list-at-talk-wisdom.html
Yesterday at 8:08am
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David Havard JBFC, you're dumb. He's an American citizen, it's been proven time and time again. GIVE IT UP.
Yesterday at 8:12am
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Kristina McMichael Treon - david prove it to me, right here...show me the proof
Yesterday at 8:13am
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David Havard http://aroundthesphere.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/obama-birth-certificate1.jpg
Yesterday at 8:15am
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Floyd Debarber David -They will believe this until their dying day. No amount of proof will be enough to satisfy them.
Yesterday at 8:17am
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Stephanie Fredricks You've got people saying it's real, you've got people saying it's fake. Why?
Yesterday at 8:19am
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Kristina McMichael Treon you do realize, anyone can make up anything on this computer.....all i saw was a form. nothing related to the government or remotely related....this could be all made up.
Yesterday at 8:19am
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Christine - THE RELEVANT OBAMA ADMISSION
At Barack Obama’s web site, the following admission:
“FactCheck.org Clarifies Barack’s Citizenship
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‘When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children…’ “
Read that last line again.
“That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children…”
That’s an admission that Great Britain “governed the status” of Barack Obama, Jr. He has chosen to highlight this on his own volition.
And this leads to the relevant question:
HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN’S STATUS BE “GOVERNED” BY GREAT BRITAIN?
A natural born citizen’s status should only be governed by the United States.
Hat Tip: Natural Born Citizen blog
Yesterday at 8:19am
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Floyd Debarber - As the son of a Kenyan, Obama had dual citizenship (US and UK Colonial, later Kenyan) until he became an adult, at which time he forfeited his Kenyan citizen status.
Yesterday at 8:22am
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Amber Cahill - Wow....that BC doesn't look fake or anything. Completely different than any other birth certificate that I have seen - but David and Floyd believe it's real so it must be real right?
Yesterday at 8:24am
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Christine - United States Constitution - Article II Section 1 clause 5:
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
Exactly what is a Natural Born Citizen?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEnaAZrYqQI
Yesterday at 8:27am
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David Havard - If you go and get a copy of your birth certificate they all look like that. Only retarded people believe that he is not a citizen of the United States. It's as simple as that, either you're a retard or you're not.
Yesterday at 8:27am
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Stephanie Fredricks Floyd,- I have a child who also had dual citizenship. She is ineligible to become POTUS.
Yesterday at 8:28am
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Christine - David - please read and learn. There is a difference between a citizen vs. a natural born citizen. NBC is required to be eligible for POTUS.
Yesterday at 8:29am · Christine Watson Watch this video. It explains it very clearly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEnaAZrYqQI
Yesterday at 8:30am
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Amber Cahill - David - I have a copy of my birth certificate, and my husbands, and my children's - they don't look a THING like that - and contain a lot more information.....which that one should contain and doesn't. And simply because I do not believe he is american born does not make me, or anyone else a retard - you are an ass.
Yesterday at 8:31am
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Kristina McMichael Treon - i dont care what or who obummer is...i just know he could careLESS about the american ppl...he is not good for this country at alll. look at all the states sueing over this healthcare crap
Yesterday at 8:31am
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David Havard - Amber, exactly how much more information does your BC hold? Please site specific examples on how yours is different than OUR Presidents.
Yesterday at 8:37am
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Kristina McMichael Treon - mine is different....have you looked at yours lately?
Yesterday at 8:40am
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Christine - David - the B.C. doesn't really matter (unless Obama/Soetoro isn't the biological son of Obama Sr.) because his father was never a U.S. Citizen! Therefore, Obama Jr. cannot be a natural born citizen which requires 2 U.S. Citizen parents.
Yesterday at 8:45am
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David Havard - Yes, I had to go get a copy of mine when I applied for my Passport. I'd post mine but it's at home in a lock box. Could it be that each state has different birth certificates?? OMG, no wai?!?!?
Yesterday at 8:45am
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Amber Cahill - While it's not right in front of me - off the top of my head it contains the name of the hospital, how many siblings were in the home, names of county/state officials, residential address....maybe the name of the doctor....can't remember all the differences right now - but there are a lot more - that I will be happy to rattle off to you tomorrow.
Yesterday at 8:52am
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David Havard - Read about half way down, there are two different BC. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_certificate
Yesterday at 8:54am
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Amber Cahill - Well, the one I had to use to get my passport, or even go on a cruise, has to be the official raised print on the colored paper with the seal and certificate kind....if he's got one of those - I would like to see it - the one posted above isn't even certified.
Yesterday at 8:58am
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Floyd Debarber Stephanie - Of course she is ineligible - she is a chils!
Seriously - are you cetain she is ineligible or only inelegible until she drops the non-US citizenship?
Christine - A natural born citizen requires NO US citizen parents. If you are born in the US, you are a citizen by birth regardless of the nationality of your parents.... See More
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
•Anyone born inside the United States *
•Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
•Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
•Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
•Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
•A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
* There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.
Yesterday at 9:02am
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David Havard - I can't do this anymore, some of you people are f**king hopeless. Dear lord, if I ever post on this retarded page again please kill me.
Yesterday at 9:03am
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Kristina McMichael Treon - i still don't think even if it is his BC, it would make him a better president........he is bad for america
Yesterday at 9:04am
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Floyd Debarber - Dacid -LOL. I hear you. Go bang your head against the wall for a couple hours. It will be just as rewarding as arguing with the birthers.
Yesterday at 9:05am
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Kristina McMichael Treon - yes, please dont try to change my mind about obummer b/c its a lost cause.......i have made my mind up unless he starts really careing about our constitution and the ppl
Yesterday at 9:09am
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Kristina McMichael Treon - caring
Yesterday at 9:10am
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Stephanie Fredricks Floyd, - she's 19 and hasn't reached the proper "age" yet. She is a child, born on foreign soil, to a 17 year old US citizen mother and a British citizen father. I have a consular report of live birth abroad as well as an English birth certificate. She had dual citizenship until the age of 18. She is ineligible based on her birth "stats", if you ... See Morewill.
She's also the victim of an internation parental kidnapping, and it hurts me deeply, so I'll not continue this discussion. Sorry. I shouldn't have brought it up, but it's sort of similar, no? :(
Yesterday at 9:11am
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Amber Cahill - And you know the short form "image" used in that Wikipedia article was created by the illustrator....
Yesterday at 9:12am
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Floyd Debarber Stephanie - Sorry to open a wound.
Yesterday at 9:16am
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Christine - Floyd - you need to educate yourself before you make bold faced lies like that! Go to this site, read and LEARN!
http://puzo1.blogspot.com/
Yesterday at 9:17am
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Stephanie Fredricks - You didn't, I did. It's all good, chief. :)
Yesterday at 9:17am
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Floyd Debarber - Christine - What did I lie about?
Yesterday at 9:18am
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Christine - There is a difference between a natural born citizen vs. a citizen. Please read this:
http://www.newmediajournal.us/staff/fsalvato/2008/12032008.htm
Yesterday at 9:21am
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Floyd Debarber - Christine - I realize the presidnet has to be a natural born citizen. naturalized citizens are NOT eligible to be president. I still don't know what you think I lied about.
Yesterday at 9:24am
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Christine - Floyd - You wrote: "A natural born citizen requires NO US citizen parents. If you are born in the US, you are a citizen by birth regardless of the nationality of your parents.... "
That is not true!
Yesterday at 9:56am
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Floyd Debarber - So I oversimplified a bit.
The Supreme Court has never explicitly ruled on whether children born in the United States to illegal immigrant parents are entitled to birthright citizenship via the 14th Amendment, although it has generally been assumed that they are. A birth certificate issued by a U.S. state or territorial government is evidence of citizenship, and is usually accepted as proof of citizenship.
In the case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), the Supreme Court ruled that a person becomes a citizen of the United States at the time of birth, by virtue of the first clause of the 14th amendment of the Constitution, if that person is:... See More
Born in the United States
Has parents that are subjects of a foreign power, but not in any diplomatic or official capacity of that foreign power
Has parents that have permanent domicile and residence in the United States
Has parents that are in the United States for business
Yesterday at 10:00am
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Christine - Floyd wrote: "So I oversimplified a bit."
Yep...spoken like a true blue ObaMAO Bot! LOL
Yesterday at 10:16am
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Floyd Debarber - Do you agree that you can be a natural-born citizen without having any US citizen parents?
Did I lie?
Yesterday at 10:20am
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Christine - No. I don't agree. Please see what the lawyer whose case is still pending against Obama in the Third Circuit Court has to say:
http://puzo1.blogspot.com/
Yesterday at 10:24am
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Floyd Debarber - Not agreeing with me and the US Supreme Court is significantly different than me lying to you. And sinc ethis case has not yet been diecide, It in no way changes the applicability of the 14th amendment regaarding the definition of a natural-born citizen.
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The conversation in that thread clearly illustrates the confusion that many Americans have regarding natural born citizen status (which is required for POTUS in the United States Constitution - Article II Section 1 Clause 5) vs. U.S. citizen or naturalized citizen status.
Interestingly enough, WorldNetDaily has some screen shots of articles that were previously available for reading; but now, the words "Kenyan-born" for Obama have since been scrubbed from the original sites.
Isn't that odd?
Doesn't it make you think that Obama was previously described as "Kenyan-born," but now that he ran for president and fraudulently occupies the White House, the evidence of that fact is continually being scrubbed?
I wonder how many archived articles also carry additional damning evidence about his place of birth!
When you visit the article at WorldNetDaily, you will also see the now infamous video of Michele Obama stating that Kenya is her husband's "home country."
How much more evidence is needed that Obama is hiding his COLB because if it was made public, people would see that he was born in Kenya and therefore has, and always will be, ineligible for POTUS? He is the usurper in chief, who is ruining our nation, our economy, our health care system, our financial system, our sovereignty, our protections, our national security policies, our foreign policies, our friendship with Israel, and much much more! It is so obvious that he is trying to create a Marxist gangster government against the will of WE THE PEOPLE!
My question: When can we call this treason???
Hat Tip:
WorldNetDaily